UFO Congress 2008
I'll be speaking this Saturday (from 4:00pm to 5:30pm) at Pat Marcatillo's UFO Congress 2008 in NJ, detailing the
O'Hare Case and my own experiences. You can get the info here: UFO Congress 2008
Looks to be a good time. Here's some details.
UFO Congress
Ramada Inn (1-609-298-3200)
Bordentown, New Jersey
May 3rd and 4th, 2008
1083 US Highway 206, Bordentown, NJ 08505
(Near US Highway 206 and the New Jersey Turnpike Exit 7)
X-Conference Aftermath Pt.3
As the final installment of the X-Conference Aftermath (what...a week later??) Have a listen to the Paracast tonight...all the recording we did will be there. What a show this is gonna be. ![]()
X-Conference Aftermath Pt. 2
Saturday night was spent talking with Jim Dilettoso a bit more, David and Jeremy interviewing him for their respective podcasts. During this time, we were joined by a man named Rob Simone. I had only heard of him peripherally, but he described himself as the "Art Bell of the UK" via his broadcast out of L.A.
Rob inquired about the current conversation and David informed him we were discussing the Billy Meier case and Jim's involvement in the photo analysis. David asked Simone if he was familiar with the case.
"I've studied it ex-stensively." Simone replied, crossing his legs and sitting back to tweak his beard ala Obi-Wan Kenobi. I know I heard Simone say one second he'd spoken with Billy Meier by phone--then in the next breath said he hadn't yet spoken with him, but had been invited to interview him at the FIGU home base - as soon as he could fund a ticket to Switzerland. Apparently being the Art Bell of the UK doesn't include the salary of Coast to Coast AM.
When queried about the case's U.S. Media Representative and his claims however, Simone said he wasn't familiar with him. Apparently, the "extensive" study of the case didn't include the major proponent of the case in the United States. Simone then began his glazing overview of the case, which just about everyone in the seated circle already knew...where he also touched upon the "Talmud Jmmanuel"--the alleged original source text of the Gospel of Matthew, which was allegedly found in 1963 by Rashid who selected guess who, Billy Meier for his coworker in it's publishing. It's apparently also considered a "late 20th century Biblical Hoax".
David immediately brought up the idea that Meier claims to be the reincarnation of Christ. "No" quipped Simone, who went on to inform us that Meier didn't claim that, but did claim to the the reincarnation of Moses and Mohammed and some others I can't recall. My thought at that point was "ok, well...thats supposed to be better, or somehow more believable...right?" Even though I didn't know Simone beforehand nor anything about his views, he was quickly losing ground. We went on to ask him about some other items when he suddenly and within David's mid-sentence, jumped off his chair and stated "I gotta go get a beer".
Simone never returned.
I guess he wasn't prepared to listen to the questions regarding his "extensively studied" Talmud finding, reincarnation of Moses, prophet, and UFO contactee. If it sounds far fetched and ridiculous when phrased like that...it is. Rob may be a nice guy, but we'll never know as he bolted too fast for us even to say "thank you for speaking with us".
Later, Jeremy and I were introduced to Aaron Clark, Director of the Cleveland UFOlogy Project by Karyn Dolan. Aaron teaches a college course in UFOs at Oberlin College, and is a really interesting guy. We chatted a bit about the paranormal aspects of UFOs and possible visitations/abductions. I wanted to mention to Karyn that I was sorry I didn't get to see Rich speak on Friday, as he apparently spoke a lot about the abduction phenomenon. Karyn has an internet radio show on www.paranormalradionetwork.com , go have a listen. I got news for ya, she ain't just the wife of Richard Dolan...she's got her own views and a lot to share. To boot, she's a really genuine and nice person (just like Rich).
As we looked over towards the bar we saw a lone man with jet black hair and mustache - George Norry. Jeremy was ripe to interview him for the Culture of Contact show to inquire about his angel fixation and other pressing issues of living the paranormal media dream. You'll have to listen to Jeremy's podcast...I'll not spoil that one for ya.
Jeremy and I headed out to drive to my place where he was staying over, and we drifted between incoherent conversation (ok Jeremy was coherent...I wasn't) and bleary-eyed driving. I felt fine when we left, but by the time we got to my house I was 2 seconds from falling over. Morning seemed to arrive instantly after my head hit the pillow, and post-pancakes and juice (Thanks Lisa) we rolled out expecting more interesting events at the last day of the conference.
It didn't dissapoint. Part 3 tomorrow.
X-Conference Aftermath
when Biedny will call."
My amazing, stupendous psychic powers were acute that night, as when I got back in the car, I had a message from David on my cell phone.
"We're just getting to Delaware Memorial Bridge, and there's a lot of traffic, so I don't know what time we're actually be getting in there", David said through the muffled headpiece. It was that point that I think I muttered something akin to "F*** it", made a u-ie and headed for home. I knew full well that David wouldn't arrive until 2:00 AM which left us very little time for fireside chats that night--and I knew both David and Dr. Sue would be tired and would much rather get to bed anyway...truth be told I was ready for bed right then and there myself.
So Saturday morning, I woke bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and headed down to Gaithersburg. As I got to the conference and got my badge, David had said Dr. Maccabee was towards the end of his lecture, so I caught maybe the last five minutes. Not long after that, just outside the lecture hall, we briefly met Dr. Edgar Mitchell, who I found to be a very very kind and accommodating man (I HAD to get a picture with him). He answered some of Jeremy's questions for The Culture of Contact podcast and we headed out for lunch.
After we arrived back from lunch, it was time for what was billed as the "pinnacle event" of the X-Conference--the incredible, the stupendous George Noory of Coast to Coast fame. Now it has to be said, I haven't been a regular listener of Coast to Coast in many years, so I wasn't that thrilled. However much of the crowd seemed to think that this was about as good as flying saucers landing on the White House lawn. George spent about 15 minutes regaling the crowd on his interest in the paranormal, a couple of jokes, and how he got the Coast to Coast AM gig. George then took questions for the next (approximately) hour and a half, referring to the left half of the room as west of the Rockies, and the right half of the room as east of the Rockies. Ha...yeah...funny. In all honesty, I think I would have rather gone outside and watched the grass grow. It doesn't seem to me, and this is strictly my opinion, that Noory is really all that interested in the quality of guests or the subject matter they present. I think his angle is more about widespread listener participation, which I guess is okay if you're coming at this from an entertainment standpoint. I suppose that's what sells commercials and gleans ratings. To each his own, I guess. I just have a certain amount of disdain for relegating the UFO/alien subject to entertainment.
After we left Noory's lecture, we headed off to the bar for some snacks... and then things got interesting. As we sat having a couple of drinks and chatting with Rick Wood of AudioMartini.com, a man of medium build with a full head of grey hair passed by on our left. David's eyes quickly turned to tea cups and whispered loudly...
"Jeff, that's Jim Dilettoso!"
I did glance at the man as he walked by, but frankly, I didn't think it was really Jim. Although I had seen him there at last year's X-Conference, we didn't get an opportunity to talk. Now, as many of you may or may not know, Jim Dilettoso is the man touted by the Meier case supporters as being the chief image analyst who authenticated the photos. I often referred these people to an article called "The Hack and the Quack" by Tony Ortega of the Phoenix Times: in that article Jim is "exposed" as somewhat of a bullshitter who would freely use technical terms to describe his findings, and not really know what those terms mean. One of the big sticking points in that article for me was that it was said that Jim claimed to be able to do spectral-analysis from video tape--a physical impossibility (Jim gave insight on the article, and it's pretty amusing). I had long ago summed this guy up as someone who fully supported the Meier case just by virtue of how often the media rep for the Meier case chucked around Jim's analysis report. Through the years, I often perceived Jim as an adversary for such things. At any rate, about the time that I told David that I didn't think it was Jim Dilettoso, this gentleman walked around the bar towards David and introduced himself. I was pretty surprised to hear "Hi, I'm Jim
Dilettoso."Knowing how vocal David and I both had been over the Meier case, the first words that echoed in my skull were "Here we go."
I was introduced to Jim by David not long after he had relayed to David that they had a close mutual friend. Jim shook hands with me and smiled, and I said it was nice to finally meet him. David immediately piped in, "Jim, as you know, or maybe you don't, Jeff and I are pretty vocal critics of the Meier case." Jim furrowing his brow said "Okay." David continued, "And you're listed as the chief image analyst on these photos, and are often touted in Michael Horn's conversations and on his website as authenticating the photos."
Now I'm recounting this from memory, so I don't want to go into too much depth here, as David interviewed Jim on the record for The Paracast. But allow me to just give you the brief. When asked about the analysis on the Meier case, Jim said that he had only examined three or four photographs and found no evidence of a hoax, but kept stressing "with the equipment I had at the time...and you have to realize this was back in the 70's." Then came the part in the conversation that really got my pulse going. David mentioned Meier's dreaded Wedding Cake photographs--you know the ones I mean. The ones that look like a pie plate and a trash can lid took a bath in silver paint and Christmas ornaments, and were shot by a six year old child in his backyard. A lot of the found parts used to fabricate it have been identified.
I then heard what I thought I would never hear from Jim Dilettoso...
"Oh, those were clearly models... yeah."
I turned around to Jeremy and then to David, and gave my best Chandler Bing impression - "Oh--My --God!!!"
So let's summarize this. We have the Meier case's image analyst telling us there are models involved. Well, yeah, we knew that... but now it's coming from Jim Dilettoso himself. Not to mention he prefaces his analysis results by saying "with the equipment I had at the time", which to me insinuates it wasn't as good as today's technology...which again is a given. Jim also relayed that he never said these pictures showed anything extraterrestrial, nor anything other then "unknown". He did solidify his take on the Meier case and the pictures, but I don't in any way want to misstate it. You'll hear it on the Paracast or Culture of Contact podcasts. It's not what you've most likely been led to believe.
Now make no mistake about it, I don't agree with Jim on a lot of cases...the Phoenix Lights, etc. But he certainly wasn't the staunch Meier supporter that had been portrayed to me over the years. I had tried to email and even call him several times over the years and never seemed to be able to collar him for a talk.
When David and I brought up Michael Horn's information and Jim's inclusion in it based on his analysis, his answer was "I can't comment on that, since I'm not familiar with Michael Horn. We've never met, and I've never spoken with him."
Holy. Shit.
Jim went on to say, " Why is he providing data and an analysis report that I did in the 70s...as if I did it yesterday?"
I got the feeling Jim wasn't particularly pleased about a lot of what was being said about him via Horn. But there's another player besides Horn in Jim's distaste for being misrepresented: Kal Korff. He alluded that Korff had a part in the "Hack and the Quack" article, and that several points I asked him about (namely the spectral analysis claim) wasn't what he intended. He explained that he had to simplify his procedures explanation so the interviewer would understand, and he mentioned "spectral" and "spectrum" in relation to a histogram. The reporter (or Korff?) in turn twisted that into an impossible claim of being able to do spectral analysis on video. I got the feeling Jim was far more familiar with Korff's words about him then Horn's...but wasn't happy about either one. There's more on Korff from Jim, but I'll leave that to The Paracast and Culture of Contact to tell you about.
Let's suffice to say I found Jim to be open, perfectly willing to talk to us about the photos and the case, and very generous with his time. He's also a hell of a nice guy personally, and fun to hang with - he's got more wild ideas for technology then you can think of... the scary part is some of them would probably work. Jim is like the crazy, genius uncle you wish you had as a kid to equip your toy robots with guided missile systems. I may not agree with Jim on his findings in a lot of cases, but he's certainly (in my freshly revised view) NOT in the Meier "camp" of being a hard core supporter or defender. From my perspective he's been misrepresented by the American Media Rep for the case, and I told him so. I think he agreed with me on that point.
One of the last words he said to me before I left was "Look, David mentioned that you guys saw me as some
kind of adversary and I don't see it that way..." I again told him he'd been misrepresented to me over the years, and it was a pleasure finally meeting him. And, it truly was. Jeremy Vaeni just wrote me today (Tuesday 4/22) and said Jim communicated to him after I had left, that he felt bad of the opinion David and I had of him for so long because he had no clue, and doesn't read all the hoopla online.
Ya know what? I feel bad too. I genuinely like the guy personally, even though we don't agree on a lot of things. It's friggin' surreal...if you'd have told me I'd enjoy having morning coffee with Jim Dilettoso ten years ago, or 6 months ago I'd have said you were insane.
Now keep in mind, it was only talking over the course of a weekend, so no one can make a judgment on someone that quickly...but I don't have the same professional opinion I used to of Jim Dilettoso - because half of that opinion was established by one Michael Horn and his band of venomous zealots. It's clear to me more then ever that it doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on with regard to the Meier case - whether your Jim Dilettoso, Jeff Ritzmann, David Biedny, Michael Malin or Robert Post - you're guaranteed to have your statements and actions misrepresented in whatever way best suits Horn selling his Meier crap, and continuing his parade of bullshit against those who speak out against it. My personal thanks to Jim for setting the record straight on his opinions and involvement, and speaking with us at such length.
There's so much more that Jim talked about with us regarding the Meier stuff, which Jeremy and David will both have on their respective podcasts interviewing him. We also had a literal and lengthy round table conversation with Dr. Bruce Maccabee that blew my mind (as usual). But, it's getting late and I'm still rather out of normal sleep mode. I'll have more tomorrow, and lots of it.
X-Conference Ho...
Well after work wraps up today, I'll be heading down south to the X-Conference to hang with such lifeforms as David Biedny (and Dr. Sue) and Jeremy Vaeni among others. It's sure to be a hoot, and I'll be giving a daily update during the conference weekend (I'll be commuting to and fro, it's close for me)
Stay tuned, and if youre going, I'll see ya there!
~Jeff